The only problem with this wadcutter vs round nose is most wadcutter loads are light on powder charge. It looks like a flying 55 gallon drum. 148 gn. A round nose with a flat point (RNFP) is intended for lever guns or other guns with a tubular magazine. Swc and clays hard to beat. Thus, you have a huge, clean wound channel. Maybe you’re involved with formal, sanctioning organizations for Cowboy Action shooting. 38 CAL Hard Cast Lead Reloading Bullets. It just took a long time to develop something better and get it out where it could be tested. Hawkeye: Joined: Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:01 am Posts: 8068 Location: Texas Kevin wrote: DGW1949. Where to find brands like Atomic, Axxess, Buffalo Bore, Federal, Fiocchi, Great Lakes, HSM, Jamison Ammo, Magtech, PPU Prvi Partizan, and Remington. I would say round nose can be a little more forgiving on feeding than LSWC. With the .45 Colt for … I don't have any problems with round nose or hollow point of any flavor. It was earth-shattering in 1898, when invented, but even before WWII we knew better. Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose Semi Wadcutter vs Round Nose. The original load, a lead round-nose 158-grain bullet, was marginal as a stopper. The TCCbullets smoke pretty good with all powders, but are really accurate.. Many people sense that I have nothing but disdain for the “Wadcutter” type magazine. the Baer i have in 9mm thats another story i haven't had much success with that. Joined: Oct 28, 2007 Messages: 104. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > Jamesmb Member. My Detonics still managed to chamber them OK. Blue Bullets or Gallant, 1.250" CCI primer and 3.9 grains of Clays makes 172 power factor in my 5" springfield 1911. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Bullet shape: Round nose vs semi wad cutter. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter Magnum Tip Soft Point. I will be using Unique powder and working up some loads as soon as my dies get here. Tiro Fijo said:.38 SWC and Keith SWC are NOT the same. Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. I fell in love with lswc's so long ago I don't even remember what a roundnose looks like. Are they feeding more consistently than SWCs? 230gn twists and hurts. Free shipping over $20, new in box. Round nose is range and casual target use, military use according to the 1899 Hague Convention and if you are in New Jersey where hollow points are illegal. Maybe you just like to go out on a weekend and shoot the “Guns that Won the West” or that your favorite TV and movie cowboy heroes toted. A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. It cuts a clean, round bullet hole on paper, easy to score. There is a difference. A round-nose bullet will be like a pencil being pushed into a piece of paper - it pokes in, but then pushes the target material away from the bullet. In my experience LSWC has always been more accurate. Never had a malfunction with this load, feeds great, soft recoil, accurate and clean shooting. BrianEnos.com Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) The semi-wadcutter is a variation on the wadcutter. The long surface of these bullets kept them going straight (to simplify). Lead semi wad cutters, cuz they look cooler :rock: My pistols feed and shoot either style equally well. I bought 4K of Montana Gold 6 years ago, but I was not real impressed.. Rainer and Delta 230gr HP gave the very best accuracy, but is cost prohibitive for me even for major matches.. OAL 1.250/1.252 crimp is at.469 all the time.. The full jacket is made for ogival-type bullets (no shoulder). Buy the best cheap tobacco-free Semi-Wadcutter SWC Ammo products online. currently run BBI 230gr run for the past 12k with no issueswith great accuracy and on my last 8k of the old Tennessee Cartridge company lead bullets.   Your previous content has been restored. Semi-wadcutters are a cross between traditional lead round nose and the full wadcutter. 25 yard pistol range. less to start.) Someone mentioned handloading a HBWC backwards. I'm about to start back up with the H&G68 coated SWC rounds, after a long time with 230gr RN. Photo by D.R. Shop safe now and find a good deal with reviews - no coupon codes required. For decades the .45 ACP performed admirably with nothing more than a FMJ—a round that does not expand at all and is certainly inferior to a good semi-wadcutter. If God had intended autopistols to be double action, or plastic, He would have had John Moses Browning design it that way in the first place. Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy. A semi wadcutter has a stepped shoulder for cutting nice clean holes in paper. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! Obviously the general consensus is that anything is more accurate than a common round nose bullet. I get better accuracy out of them and they feed well in all my 1911's. Try some TC - truncated cone - best of both worlds. Bullseye shooters also use semi-wadcutters in semi-automatic pistols. Both gun's have 7 1/2 inch barrels. some other advantage I haven't thought of.. Keith-Style SWC with one crimping groove and one filled lubrication groove. … I don't buy LRN any longer (still have some) and all i use is LSWC. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. Round nose is range and casual target use, military use according to the 1899 Hague Convention and if you are in New Jersey where hollow points are illegal. Semi-Wadcutter (SWC) This type of bullet has a blunted tip. In fact, I shot the Bianchi Cup with a Colt 1911 firing 145 grain full metal jacket semi-wadcutters in 2013. I suppose that’s partly my fault, but it’s actually not true. When used for a semi-wadcutter style, the full jacket makes only the heaviest weights. × Types of firearm wadcutters. Factory wadcutters are typically loaded to lower velocities and pressures to reduce recoil. From my .38spl experience, the hollow base wadcutter bullet easily gave excellent accuracy, no doubt about it. Refine by Bullet Style: Open Tip Match Plastic Training Bullet. Which bullets/loads are you guys using to make major in your single stack guns? By For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Wadcutters can be an effective defense load too, for the wound channel does not immediately begin to close up like with a round nose bullet . 200 vs 230 is the same thoughts as 125 vs147 in 9mm. Meanwhile, it is well know in 45acp that the H&G #68 200 grain (and similar cast lead bullets in 185 grain) also win championships. Paul tests the effectiveness of semi wadcutter hollow points. The Federal Gold Medal 38 Special Wadcutter Match is a target load that is known for mild recoil, exceptional accuracy, and leaving perfect round circles in paper targets. I am using ACME's 230 no groove coated RN's with 3.9 of Ramshot Competition loaded to 1.250 OAL. I also have used 3.8 n310 behind the same bullet. Sometimes the base of the bullet is left open, and other times it is also coated, resulting in a TMJ-type bullet with a flat nose. If you want to call it a SWC or a WNFP is purely up to you, and if you have some particular meplat design that you want to use as your definition of one vs. the other, that's OK but without a universally accepted definition. Gman  i had the same issues with one of my Baers , but just recently switched to 185 zero bullets  in the cast swc  the 185 jacketed hollow points and 185 SWCHP some far no issues. I'd love to use SWC but they don't want to cycle (reliably) in my Large Frame EAA Witness. Not necessarily BAD, but not as good.   You cannot paste images directly. For the most part I prefer the midweight bullets in my handguns. Cowboy Action. Round nose bullets penetrate wonderfully. Refine by Bullet Style: Plastic Training Bullet Semi-Spitzer Soft Point. A wadcutter is a special-purpose flat-fronted bullet ... although this is not always the case as some wadcutters may have rounded bullet nose profiles. This round is not in any category above, but is a very effective round for self-defense. DISCLAIMER: All information posted by horsesoldier03 is strickly MY HUMBLE OPINION! The 41 was 210 grain semi wad cutter and the 45 was 250 round nose. The wad cutter or semi-wad cutter cut a cleaner hole which is easier to see and score. Moderators: flatgate, Moderators. Luckily, the semi-wadcutter bullet provides almost all of the benefits of the wadcutter bullet without a number of the disadvantages (though I would still prefer a jacketed hollow point over a semit-wadcutter for most hunting or self-defense applications). If extremely well made, a premium bullet in any profile can be good. So why do folks use SWC … wadcutter vs. semi-wadcutter. Think about the 38special full wadcutter. Brinell hardness of 17 — round-nose semi-wadcutter. Some autoloaders may benefit from this design. But, there are other considerations:  the crimp, OAL, etc. Arthritis in wrists. I shoot a lot of clays. A good FMJ-RN is often the most inaccurate bullet you will find. (WC= WadCutter, SWC= Semi-WadCutter, HP= Hollow Point, RN= Round Nose), (JHP= Jacketed Hollow Point and if GC indicated, means Gas Check at bottom of lead bullet) Loads for .38 special: (Note: These are near maximum loads (in some cases ARE MAXIMUM), you should use 10%. I am just starting to reload for my XD9 and I have a question about the difference, if any, between using flat nose (semi-wadcutter) or round nose bullets. I have been using coated 200gr SWCs for awhile, but I think I want to try some 230gr RN bullets. 200gr LSWC, 4.2 Clays (Australian) goes 844.2 in my Taurus PT-1911. In practice, the bullet can be crimped over the leading band, or on the crimping groove, as desired. 168.84 PF and a nice shooting load. Wadcutters are designed to make nice, round holes in targets for ease of scoring. The 41 magnum (semi … First topic message reminder : Looking to start on Distinguished Revolver ( DR ) and not seeking to reload initially due to time/distance to Nationals. Posted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 10:31 pm . Round Nose vs Semi Wadcutter -- accuracy. Thank you for your patience and understanding. The slow velocity of the wadcutter bullet reduces the recoil significantly, hence is suitable for people learning the shooting basics. Both poly coated. LRN = Lead Round Nose = Blei-Rundkopfgeschoss, ohne Mantel LSWC = Lead Semi Wadcutter = Bleigeschoss, ohne Mantel in Semi Wadcutter-Form (s. SWC) LWC = Lead Wadcutter = Bleizylinder, meist mit … A semi-wadcutter bullet was also the basis for the famous “FBI load” – a 158 grain lead semi-wadcutter bullet, that deleted the flat nose in favor of a hollow point. I run 3.9 g of Clays behind a 230 rn SNS coated bullet. And would actually be preferred in the home over a full house .357 mag round. or a hollowpoint which fails to expand. The wound channel might be .357, but the edges will close over. Counting the holes becomes a daunting task. Normally wad cutters are loaded a bit softer and are easier to shoot due to the lower recoil and blast. I shoot and rotate out 3 Baers and none have reliably ran 185/200WC. I tend to load LSWC because they seem to shoot a little tighter. I use a Bear Creek 200gr RNHB over 5gr of Titegroup. The SWC combines features of the traditional round-nosed bullets and the wadcutter bullets used in target shooting, and is used in both revolver and pistol cartridges for hunting, target shooting and plinking. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. I assume you are talking Handguns. It will penetrate deep and cut a large round hole. By jwilkinson6, March 12, 2018 in 44/45 Caliber. Both loads had Uniquie powder. The flat shape of the nose is the primary feature of the wadcutter. JohnKSa Moderator Staff Member. . If you want to stay with 200gr, switch to truncated cone bullets for better feeding. My rifle doesn't do well well with round nose but semi wadcutter is nice and smooth especially in 357. Thread Status: Not open for further replies. I have two questions. The last 1500 or so rounds I've used have been coated 200g RN FB from Ibejiheads and they've been flawless A semi-wadcutter has a flat nose and a shelf that makes it not a wadcutter. Re: 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver by Chris Miceli on 5/12/2017, 8:12 am jglenn21 wrote: My 14-2 love the Remington target.. even the SWC but it has an 11 degree throat in it so that may have an affect.. 1.250" seems to be the most popular length. Clear editor. The round nose design is the oldest design. In general, semi-wadcutters having a partially rounded nose are more accurate than wadcutters having a flat-front profile. Every company has their own manufacturer that does things their own way, which results in a number of different name brands and ammo lines to choose from. The round nose design is the oldest design. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. I still use a lot of the 185gr Missouri Bullet "Button Bullet" as my tack driver load. Shop our vast selection and save! Full wadcutters frequently have problems feeding from magazines reliably in semi-automatics, so SWCs … Flat nosed bullets are surprisingly good penetrators, and they tend to make a bigger hole as well. Corbin, of .452 Bullets. The last 1500 or so rounds I've used have been coated 200g RN FB from Ibejiheads and they've been flawless. I had a great conversation with a ballistic engineer at a boutique bullet company, which specializes in round nose and semi-spitzer bullets. by JayhawkNavy02 on Thu May 11, 2017 8:30 pm. JavaScript is disabled. A wadcutter, on the other hand, because of the flat front and hard right angle, it does to soft tissue kind of what it does to paper — it punches a sharp hole that’s a lot more disruptive than a round nose. These rounds offer better ballistic performance (less drag) than wadcutters, still punch nice holes in paper targets, and can be fed by automatic pistols in most cases. LFN = L-FLAT = Lead Flat Nose = Blei-Flachkopfgeschoss, ohne Mantel. Two inches, single action, 25 yards, with Critical Defense 110-grain FTX bullets. thanks. Therefore I need to pick up some factory ammunition to take to Perry. Though full wadcutter bullets are often unreliable in semi-automatic pistols, semi-wadcutter bullets usually work much better. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Wadcutter ... Copper Plated Round Nose CPRN DeepCurl Handgun Hunting. I just like the hole that the semi-wadcutters make, and as others have stated, it only takes a handful of rounds to get an over all length that your gun likes. Round nose" argument... from a .45acp perspective... Vitamin G, Sep 22, 2005 #9.   Pasted as rich text. Internet buzz suggested this load may be a good candidate for personal defense because the bullet has a flat nose and sharp shoulders. I'm interested in the "flat nose vs. economics (price), though this seems kind of a slim thing if any. 30,377 Posts #21 • Apr 11, 2014. As with any ammo type, where you get it affects its materials and how it’s made. My reloads in other guns may very just a bit, but not much. I try to stay away from the mess I used to get with a variety of bare lead bullets. 1; 2; Next. Jump to Latest Follow ... Winchester is using their 9mm 124 grain round nose fmj -- same exact fmj you can buy in 100 packs. Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point. jwilkinson6, have been wondering what if any advantage(s), perceived or otherwise, there are to a 200gr Semi-Wadcutter over a 230gr round nose bullets in .45acp. Jacketed work fine. The wadcutter magazine is an excellent design…for what it was designed for. First off, is there a difference in accuracy, feed reliability, or anything else in shooting a round nose verses a Semi wad (both of these in lead like betterbullets.com) Also, is there any real difference in shooting lead versus shooting plated FMJ? They all were very accurate as opposed to what I had shot before which were hollow … I like lswc I've been casting a lot of lyman # 452630 lately. × depends. Since there's no lube ring on these coated ones, they can be loaded to longer OALs - does anyone have a recommendation on OAL for best feeding/chambering? In my experience, accuracy is about the same. However as a couple other members pointed out I've switched over to the RNFP in 200gr. 38 Special Factory 158gr Lead Semi-Wadcutter or Lead Round Nose For Distinguished Revolver. If you need self-defense or hunting ammo, wadcutters may not be the most suitable option. The semi-jacketed soft point (SJSP) is another hollow point alternative bullet – with an exposed lead soft point that gives very reliable expansion on impact, along with deeper penetration than your average hollow point.. You can usually find the semi-jacketed soft point with a copper jacket of various lengths and thickness to go with a lead core. This bullet has a cylindrical body with a shoulder, and a flat point on the tip. Wadcutters are so much fun to shoot in .38 Special, and the accuracy will make you look really good too! Yes, I know, for most reliable feeding I should just stay with RN or TC... And for that matter, how many grains of WST to stay comfortably in Major PF? Before there was Polymer there was Accuracy. I've used both and had no issues with either. If your gun will feed them, I think they're the better choice. And this can change its effectiveness in some calibers like the .38 special but believe me it wont matter at close range with a .357 magnum on a bad guy. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. Refine by Bullet Style: Magnum Tip Soft Point Open Tip Match. It’s typically favored in .38 snub-nose style revolvers. Can't help on WST as I haven't used it for a long, long time. I had a 19-5 S & W and tried some reloaded wadcutters I had bought from master cast. They take many different forms depending on the manufacturer, but they basically look like a short cylinder with a smaller cylinder sitting on top, which can be angled inward. Even though the wadcutter doesn’t actually expand, it tends to penetrate soft tissue very reliably. I've been using copper plated 230gr RN bullets from H&N (of Germany). That's what a local shop has had in stock. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter Street, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Clays and 231 have both worked well for me. Refine by Bullet Style: Lead Semi-Wadcutter Hollow Point Lead Wadcutter. Round Nose Design = Cast Bullets’ Bad Reputation. You can post now and register later. The most basic full metal jacket bullet is lead coated in copper. Comes to .45acp and you have to deal with magazines and feeding issues. In contrast, flat-front profile wadcutters tend to have … I have about 2k of Rainier 200WC and 1500 185 HP that I want to retry again along with 5K of 185WC lead left over from bullseye shooting and some various 10 to 12lb recoil springs.I do run at times 200rn Rainier jacketed and no issues. Please be prepared for possible delivery delays.. We strive to ship your order within 2 business days but have been seeing delivery delays in some areas that we can not control. I will be using them strictly for target shooting and wasn't sure whether there was a real difference in performace or ease of loading between the two. Powered by Invision Community, I have no concerns about sounding like an idiot, Proud member of the 1924 US Olympic Hockey Team. 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